What are the mysteries of the kingdom?

[RevCharlieP]

And how do we receive them? I'm asking someone to explain to me the right understanding of the mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven.I have done a lot of seeking concerning this,but I would like someone to give their understanding that I can see,hear,and understanding more of this subject.

Thanks.
CharlieRay

[GateKeeper]

And how do we receive them? I'm asking someone to explain to me the right understanding of the mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven.I have done a lot of seeking concerning this,but I would like someone to give their understanding that I can see,hear,and understanding more of this subject.

Thanks.
CharlieRay

Consider the parable of the sower. Mark 4:3-20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark%204:3-20%20;&version=9;) I believe the different types of ground represent different stages in our lives. They represent different states of understanding, willingness, and readiness. We gotta be willing to allow the potter to develop us into HIS vessels, and into good ground.

The wayside represents that place where we have no interest in Gods Word. This is when we first hear His word, but have no interest in it. We pay little attention to Gods precepts, or the virtue of principle. We have no real concept of God, and no understanding of His ways. His ways are discarded at this stage, so His seed doesn't even begin to take root.

As we progress, we become as the rocky ground. We have heard His Word; it has come to our minds over and over, and we begin to have a desire to know more. We like what we hear, and receive it with joy. We like the idea, and concept of eternal life. Even so, at this stage we have no root on which to secure our faith, and we soon fall away when tempted. The rocky ground represents that place where we are not ready to follow Christ, and so the fruits of Gods Word are never realized.

The next stage is where we know what Gods Word entails. We have heard and understand the principles behind His Word. But, when we are tested with the cares, and riches, and pleasures of life, we become choked by these thorns, and we fail to bring fruit to full maturity.

During these stages of growth, God is developing in us that which He desires. He is creating HIS vessels. These are stages of individual progress, all of which lead us towards becoming fruitful, and productive. They are leading us toward an abundant life.

The good ground is the stage where we have put our complete trust in God. We rely on His son, realizing that all things happen according to Gods purpose. We have a clear understanding, and we have realized Gods love deep within ourselves. We know 'true' Faith, and we are blessed with great hope. This is the stage where we have both moved away from our worldly desires, and we understand that it was God that established our roots.

This is the stage where we begin to bear mature fruit. We have begun to desire the things of God above our our, and we live ccordingly. This is the point where we are able to invest in others what God has developed, established, and entrusted in us. We have hubled ourselves, swallowed our pride, and have been given a heart to follow the 'truth' with the utmost sincerity. We have become Gods vessels, possessing the three basic fruits of His Word. (Faith, Hope, and Love)

"Faith is the substance of things hoped for; the evidence of things not seen." (Hebrews 11:1)

Have you ever given much thought to this verse? It might seem to be vague, but there is a meaning present in these words that we all need to understand. I think we need to understand what faith is, so we know that we are in fact walking in it.

I think many people confuse belief with faith. We can believe in eternal life. We can believe in God. We can believe in Gods Son. We can even believe in the tooth fairy, but belief is simply a conviction that something is true. Faith on the other hand, is the substance of things hoped for; the evidence of things not seen.

Before we can establish faith in something, we must first have hope. Faith comes only after we act in accordance to that hope, and is then strengthened by substance. For example: There is an old chair sitting in the corner. You believe the chair will hold you up. It is your hope that it will support your weight, but you don't know for certain until you sit in it. You have to act in faith, and in accordance to your hope before your faith is substantiated.

Once you sit in the chair, and it does support your weight, then you have experienced substance, and have therefore established a certain amount of faith in the chairs ability to support you. Your faith is then evidenced, and further shown by repeated sittings in that particular chair. Thus, faith is the substance of things hoped for; the evidence of things not seen. Evidence being works of faith.

That was a simple illustration, but the same principles apply when it comes to establishing faith in Christ. For instance, I had little faith when younger, but I did have a hope that I could become as God wishes me to be.

My hope to become that which God desires, lead me to study scripture. I did so, that I might understand what He expects from me. It is written in Romans 10:17 that, Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

When I began to study scripture, I learned more and more about His son. I began to trust in Him, and in His words. My hope was that through Him I might become that which God desires.

When I act in accordance to that hope, (Trusting in Christ) I experience the substance of my hope. The substance being Gods influence on my heart, or rather His Grace. My faith is now made evident by walking in God's Grace. God's Grace being the love and influence He places in the hearts of those who know Him.

My faith is being established because I initially acted according to my hope. My hope has been validated by substance, which is Gods grace. I can't see His grace, but His Grace is experienced deep within myself. I have experienced the substance of my hope, which is the love of God. His Grace is further evidenced by the 'works' of the Spirit that I allow myself to experience and display.

I am not yet as God wishes me to be, but through my Faith in Christ, I am being transformed.

I think we need to also examine humility, as God gives Grace to the humble. He gives Grace to those who are faithful, and who submit to His will. Pride is not an option when it comes to God, as He resists the proud. To be humble is to submit oneself, taking a lower station when it comes to others, and not being proud or arrogant in disposition. A person cannot be humble when they view themselves to be better than another, or when viewing others to be unworthy.

Consider 1 Peter 5:5-7:

1Pe 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resists the proud, and gives grace to the humble.
1Pe 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt
you in due time:
1Pe 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

Paul tells us this:

Eph 2:8 For by “grace” are ye saved through “faith”; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

We are saved by Grace through Faith, so in light of the scriptures I just quoted, I think it safe to conclude that we must be humble, and have Faith before we can be saved.

Paul goes on to say:

Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

We are not saved by our works, but by Grace through faith. The works Paul is talking about in that passage are works done of ourselves, and not the works produced by the Grace of God. The works Paul is speaking of are the kind of works where we try to earn our way into Gods Kingdom, as opposed to those works that His Grace produces in us.

We cannot earn our way anywhere when it comes to God, for it is by grace that we are saved through Faith. Appropriate works come only by Grace, and are displayed by those who walk in Faith.

Let me try to explain what I mean:

When our faith is sufficient, and when we have humbled ourselves before God, the Grace gained naturally produces "evidence", which are“works”. James tells us that “Faith without works is dead.” Without the evidence of our faith, then our faith is false. We know that we are walking in true faith when we are producing good works. The works being fruits of the Spirit.

Consider Galatians 5:5-6

Gal 5:5 For through the “Spirit”, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the “hope” of righteousness.
Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only “faith working through love”.

First comes a Hope for righteousness, or rather a hope to become as God wishes us to be. That “Hope” creates a desire to submit to His will, and follow His Son. It is God that leads us to Christ. Christ then produces faith in those who hope for righteousness, and who cloth themselves in humility. “Faith” in turn produces the substance of our hope, which is “Grace”. Grace naturally produces the evidence of our faith, which are the works and fruits of the Spirit.

The fruits of Gods Spirit begin with Love. “Love” then develops in us Joy, and Peace, and Kindness, and Gentleness, meekness, long suffering, patience, and self control. These are the gifts of God, and not fruits that we can produce in ourselves. They come only by hope, and by faith working through love. If we utilize these fruits in our daily walk, then our deeds become pleasing to God, as they ultimately stem from the gifts He has given us, which are the fruits of the Spirit.

...and this is the mystery of the Kingdom of Heaven. God is allowing us access to the Kingdom through His son (In this life), but only after we truly humble ourselves, and seek His will above our own. It is to be filled with the fruits of Gods Spirit, and to invest these fruits in others making increase.

Matthew 25:14-30 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2025:14-30%20;&version=9;)

[keith]

Terrific GateKeeper,
(I finally got your name correct)

Question: If the Kingdom is within us, and without the kingdom being here or there, can there be physical results that come within us? Like, for instance, you hope for shoes for a group of poor people and you go out and tell everyone what you hope for and low and behold, in the middle of the night, someone drops off a bunch of shoes for the group?—could this be an aspect of the coming Kingdom.

What a wonderful response to RevCharlieP. You guys are going to love one another.

Blessings

[keith]

Hey all,

Is there another category you think this thread could be moved to? Do you have ideas for any new/other categories?

I moved this thread to "Define Kingdom". I hope this is OK. I am learning how to do this stuff.

Keith

[GateKeeper]

Terrific GateKeeper,
(I finally got your name correct)

Question: If the Kingdom is within us, and without the kingdom being here or there, can there be physical results that come within us? Like, for instance, you hope for shoes for a group of poor people and you go out and tell everyone what you hope for and low and behold, in the middle of the night, someone drops off a bunch of shoes for the group?—could this be an aspect of the coming Kingdom.

What a wonderful response to RevCharlieP. You guys are going to love one another.

Blessings

Thank you, Keith - I found the topic to be profoundly important, and I wanted to give something of substance as a reply. I certainly believe that the kingdom within us manifests physically through the grace we've been given, and through others due to the impact we have on their hearts. The coming kingdom is such that as each individual realizes what we possess within, it shows in our characters, and disposition, in our daily lives, and by the impact we ultimately have on the lives of others.

As I mentioned in my reply to Rev Charlie, Faith produces grace, and grace produces works (fruits). Let me rehash a couple paragraphs in particular, as they need to be understood, and are of utmost importance.

"First comes a Hope for righteousness, or rather a hope to become as God wishes us to be. That “Hope” creates a desire to submit to His will, and follow His Son. It is God that leads us to Christ. Christ then produces faith in those who hope for righteousness, and who cloth themselves in humility. “Faith” in turn produces the substance of our hope, which is “Grace”. Grace naturally produces the evidence of our faith, which are the works and fruits of the Spirit."

"The fruits of Gods Spirit begin with Love. “Love” then develops in us Joy, and Peace, and Kindness, and Gentleness, meekness, long suffering, patience, and self control. These are the gifts of God, and not fruits that we can produce in ourselves. They come only by hope, and by faith working through love. If we utilize these fruits in our daily walk, then our deeds become pleasing to God, as they ultimately stem from the gifts He has given us, which are the fruits of the Spirit."

God places His influence on us, and through that influence, we in turn influence others. We become lights of the world. Others see the light we possess, and many will follow suit because of what God has given us. I think it creates a snowball effect, where God not only touches us, but also others due to our examples. God is in control, but He uses us (His vessels) to impact the lives of others through the love He has place in [our] hearts, and through the fruits of Spirit we exhibit.

I hope I understood you question correctly Keith. The Kingdom will manifest physically on earth as it grows within each of us, and by the impact we have on others by our examples, which is why it is absolutely necessary that we humble ourselves, and walk in faith trusting always in our Father in heaven.

Faith will change your life ....

GK

[RevCharlieP]

[QUOTE=GateKeeper;33]Consider the parable of the sower. Mark 4:3-20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark%204:3-20%20;&version=9;) I believe the different types of ground represent different stages in our lives. They represent different states of understanding, willingness, and readiness. We gotta be willing to allow the potter to develop us into HIS vessels, and into good ground.


Hello Gatekeeper,I apologize for not getting back to you sooner, I did try but I'm not too good on computers,and needed a little help to get logged in.

I also understand that you have searched deep to understand the parable of the potter.
What I teach is that all scripture is given in parables.I understand that what I teach is controversial,but I believe I can prove what I teach,as the scripture says "..make full proof of thy ministry"

I did enjoyed your answer to my question.I see you have much wisdom on this subject,and I will be reading your post more in the future. I also would like to give my understanding concerning the mysteries of the kingdom of God,but first I want to see if you will receive this reply,and I need to find a little time to do this,as like you,my reply will take a little space and time,as I'm a two fingered typist and I have a lot to give concerning the mysteries of the kingdom of God.
Well,I have to go for now,thanks and have a great day friend.

Charlie

[RevCharlieP]

Hello Gatekeeper,I have been very busy,and have not found the time needed to give what the Lord Jesus has given me concerning the Mysteries of the kingdom of God.
I was going to give a long understanding concerning the kingdom,but I decided that it would be better to give some basic understandings first of what I understand concerning the kingdom.I am a simple man with little schooling,and I have a way of explaining things that might be too simple for some,but I will try to explain things as best I can.

The Kingdom of God is the "Wisdom" of God,"of" His Word,that was before the foundation of the world,when God let man freely eat of the "tree of life",God's "Wisdom" that man could live forever,in the glory of God.

We understand that man fell by not obeying God,and ate of the tree of Good and evil.Therefore the LORD God separated Himself from fallen man,and he did this,as explained in :
Genesis 3:24"So He drove out the man;and He placed at the east of the Garden of Eden Cherubims,and a flaming a word which turned every way,to keep(from fallen man)the way of the tree of life.

Fallen man was no longer able to eat freely of the Wisdom of God and live forever,therefore fallen man was left to his own fallen wisdom,left to his own imagination of God's Word.

The Cherubims in the Strong's Hebrew, for this above verse refers to "imaginary figures". The fallen man could now only receive God's word as a natural man,who had not the LORD God with them,I would like to expound on the verses before verse 24,but I do not want to make this long.

Fallen man was left to his own imagination,or image-nation.The fallen man could only receive a image of the true,but "not" the true.

In Genesis 3:24 it says that what was used was a flaming sword which turned many ways,to keep the way of the(Wisdom)"tree of life"

The "flaming sword that turned every way" refers to the turning of things(God's Wisdom) upside down that fallen man could no longer see,hear nor understand the Wisdom of God's "brilliancy of His Word" and live forever.

Please read the following scripture to show that it is the"tree of life",God's Wisdom that is what we must have, in us to be able to even see the kingdom of God.These world are very powerful.
Proverbs 3:13"Happy is the man that findeth Wisdom,and the man that getteth understanding.

(14)For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver,and the gain thereof than fine gold.

(15)She is more precious than rubies:and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.

(16)Length of days is in her right hand;and in her left hand riches and "honour"(3519 meaning splendor).

(17)Her ways are ways of pleasantness,and all her paths are peace.

(18)She is a ""tree of life"" to them that lay hold upon her:and happy is every one that retaineth her.

(19)The LORD by Wisdom hath founded the earth;by understanding hath He established the heavens.

(20)By His knowledge the depth's are broken up,and the clouds drop down the dew.

(21)My son,let not them depart from thine eyes:keep sound Wisdom and discretion:

(22)So shall they be life unto thy soul,and grace to thy neck.

(23)Then shalt thou walk in thy way safely,and thy foot shall not stumble.

Note,that it is the Wisdom of God,of His Word that can set us apart from those who have only the wisdom of man of God's Word.

There is a mans wisdom of "all" God's Word,as there is also a God's Wisdom of of all God's Word.This is the parable that goes throughout "all" God's Word.

I will continue next time and give more.I hope this will awake some to a deeper understanding of God's Word.Thanks.

Blessings.
CharlieRay

[RevCharlieP]

Hello again Gatekeeper.
I left off saying that God separated Himself (His Wisdom) from fallen man,and that there are two hearings of all God's Word,natural fallen mans wisdom hearing,seeing and understanding,as there is also God's Wisdom,hearing,seeing and understanding.

The Wisdom of God is the kingdom of God. Any man,who has received the Spirit of God has received the power to go into God's Word and take back the Wisdom of God's Word,by going into spiritual battle to cross back over to the Wisdom of God that was before the fall of man,back to the tree of life(God's Wisdom) that is able to give us eternal life.

As I said,God "hid" His Wisdom from fallen man,He vailed His Wisdom from man.From the beginning of the world the mystery(God's Wisdom)has been hid in God.

Ephesians 3:9"And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the "mystery",which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God,who created all things by Jesus Christ:
(10)To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heaven by the Church the manifold "Wisdom" of God.

Romans 16:25"Now to Him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel,and the preaching of Jesus Christ,according to the "revelation" of the ""mystery"",which was kept secret since the world began,

(26)But now is made manifest,and by the scriptures of the prophets,according to the commandment of the everlasting God,made known to all nations for the obedience of faith.

The only way we are able to receive God's Wisdom of God's Word is the same way Paul received all his wisdom and knowledge,by "revelation".

Ephesians 3:2-5"If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you ward:

(3)How that by "revelation" He made known unto me the "mystery";(as I wrote afore in few words,

(4)Whereby,when ye read,ye may understand my knowledge in the "mystery" of Christ,

(5)Which in other ages was "not" made known unto the sons of men,as it is now "revealed" unto His Holy apostles and prophets by the "Spirit;"...

We need to have the Spirit of God to be inspired back to God's Wisdom of His Word.As all scripture is inspired,and without the Spirit of God we are following after the Scribes,and Pharisees who were following after the law,meaning the "literal letter" hearing of God's Word,mans wisdom,and not like Jesus who came speaking Spiritual things,that the multitudes could not see,hear nor understand.

Luke 8:10"And Jesus said unto His disciples.Unto you it is given to know the ""mysteries of the kingdom of God"":but to others in parables;that seeing they might "not" see,and hearing they might"not" understand.

Jesus never spake to the multitudes "without" a parable.The only time He spake without a parable is when He expounded unto His disciples and they heard Him "plainly"(Spiritually).John 16:25...but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
2Corinthians 3:12"Seeing then that we have such hope,we use great "plainness of Speech".

Isaiah 32:4 ...stammerers shall be ready to speak "plainly".


Matthew 13:34-35 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitudes in parables;and without a parable spake He not unto them;
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet,saying,I will open my mouth in parables;I will utter things which have been"kept secret from the foundation of the world."

God's "Wisdom" of His Word has been kept secret from the foundation of the world.and therefore the mysteries of the kingdom of God that Jesus spake has been hid in parables and were only given to His disciples,after He expounded the parables unto them.

It's late,and I want to keep this short anyway,so I'll close for now and next time I will add more
Thanks,and Blessings.
CharlieRay

[RevCharlieP]

The mysteries(Wisdom) of the Kingdom of God that has been hid in God from the foundation of the world,was hid in the parables of God,as I had said before,and was to be revealed unto God's disciples only,as they had Christ with them,but not to others(multitudes,world).

Mark 4:11-12"And Jesus said unto His disciples,Unto you it is given to know the "mystery(Wisdom)of the kingdom of God".,but unto them(multitudes)that are without(1854 external),all these things are done in parables:
That seeing they may see,and not perceive;and hearing they may hear,and not understand(hear intelligently);lest at any time they should be converted,and their "sins" should be forgiven them.

Note:Being "converted" is speaking of being converted back to the Wisdom of God,of God's Word,from the wisdom of man,of God's Word.And according to this above scripture it is saying that to follow God's Word with the natural man's(wisdom) understanding of God's Word,is sin.Therefore if we are not converted back to the Wisdom of God,of God's Word,we are sinning against God.

Note:God hid His "Wisdom" from fallen man,at the beginning of the foundation of the world.The fallen man could read or hear the word of God,but not with the "Wisdom of God". The same is today,there are many Christian churches teaching many different understandings of God's Word when there is only one truth.
When we teach God's Word by the literal letter,the law(man's wisdom)we are simply teaching things that are of this worlds wisdom,and therefore sin.But when we see,hear,and understand with God's Wisdom of His Word,we see,hear,and understand Spiritual things,that the world(multitudes)cannot understand,or receive.
When we began to teach or speak Spiritual things of God's Wisdom to the world(multitudes),the world calls us heretics,because they cannot understand,as God's Wisdom of God's Word is hid from then.

The word "hide" in the Strong's GK.#3871 refers to par-ak-al-op'to;from3844 and 2572;"to cover alongside",i.e.veil(fig):-

To cover alongside or veil is what The LORD God did at the fall of man in Genesis CH.3.,and is speaking of covering the Wisdom of God,of God's Word,as opposed to the worlds wisdom of God's Word.And this is the "parable" that runs throughout God's Word.

Man's wisdom as opposed to God's Wisdom. God's Wisdom of His Word is "covered alongside" the wisdom of man of God's Word throughout the Bible,and therefore this is the parable that runs throughout God's Word.

""parable"" Gk.3850 par-ab-ol-ay;from 3846;a similitude(likeness)i.e. symbolical fictitious narrative(of common life conveying a moral,apothegm or adage:-

Man's wisdom of God's Word in the Bible is a fictitious narrative of common life(of the world) that is conveying a (deeper Spiritual) moral.The Spiritual moral if received is a recovery of Spiritual life,or a resurrection from death,to live again.
The Spiritual moral of God's Word are able to save us,the natural mans hearing of God's Word will justify no one.

I had much more to give right now,but its late again and I must get some rest.I will give more tomorrow,God willing,Thanks and Blessing.

CharlieRay

[Dave]

Hey Guys, I like what you have written in this thread. RevCharlie, I like what you said concerning God's wisdom being lost at the fall of man and we need that back. I think I would like to share some things on the Garden of Eden and what really happened there. I'll be adding that soon. I'm really hoping we can all add something for the benefit of all. Talk to you guys soon.

[RevCharlieP]

Hey Dave,thanks.I believe many are following after man's wisdom of God's Word,and I believe its time for those who do have the mysteries of the kingdom of God,to wake the Church to the power of God,through revelation.Can't wait to hear what you have to give.
Blessings.
CharlieRay

[Dave]

Hello All, I am very excited about being able to share some of the mysteries of God with people that are hungering and thirsting after the things of God. I like what everyone has written so far and there have been some great questions too. I liked what Rev Charlie said about the wisdom of God being veiled. That is a very important point when we start to look at the Kingdom and the mysteries of God. I'm really looking forward to sharing some things the Lord has spoken to me about concerning the Garden of Eden and the Tabernacle of Moses. But first I feel the Lord would have me mention some things about "Time" and get some feed back from you guys. I don't think we can really understand the mysteries or the Kingdom until we learn how to receive revelation from God the comes from a place outside of time. Let's take a quick look at the book of Genisis........ The translation I'm going to use for this is from the Aramaic Bible. I put more scripture in here than I should of but I wanted you guys to have a chance to read a little but of this translation. This version from the Aramaic makes so much more sense to me than most other versions I have read, see what you think. Back to my point, see how the word "Eon" is used especially in Gen. 1. Eon means: Aramaic word: "Yuma," "eon," immeasurable period, age, or Day. In the Kingdom of God time is much different than our definition of time. Let me know what you guys think........

Genesis 1
1. As the beginning, the Son of God creates the heavens and the earth.*
2. And the earth was for Him and by Him,* and the darkness was over the face of infinite space, and the Spirit of God was over the layers of the water.*

3. And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.*
4. And God saw that the light was beautiful* and God chose light over darkness.*
5. And God called the Light "day"* and the Darkness "night,"* and the evening and the morning became part of one cycle, [the first eon.]*
6. And God said, "Let there be sky in the balance of the water." And He chose between the Waters over the water.
7. Thus God created the sky, and He differentiated between the water below the sky and the Waters above the sky, and it was so.
8. And God called the sky "heaven," and that was the evening and the morning of the second eon.

9. And God said, "Let the water below the heaven be gathered in one world and let dry land become visible, and it was so.
10. And God called the dry land "earth," and the gathering of the water the "seas," and God saw that they were beautiful.
11. And God said, "Let the earth yield vegetation, so as the seed* may sow its own kind, and the fruit bearing tree to produce the fruit of its own kind by which it was planted on earth, and it was so.
12. And the earth produced vegetation, so as the seed sowed its own kind, and the fruit tree that produced the fruit, generated its own kind, and God saw that it was beautiful.
13. And that was the evening and the morning of the third eon.

14. And God said, "Let there be suns in the sky of heaven, so as to choose between the day over the night, that they should serve for signs and wonders, seasons and cycles, and for years.
15. "And that they should glow in the sky of heaven, to shine over the earth," and it was so.
16. And God created two great celestial bodies, the greater one to have authority over the day and the smaller one to have authority over the night, and He created the stars and all the celestial bodies.
17. And God gave them to the sky and heaven, to shine over the earth,
18. And to have authority over the day and the night and to impose the light over the darkness, and God saw that they were beautiful.
19. And that was the evening and the morning of the fourth eon.

20. And God said, "Let the waters teem with living and breathing crawlers, and let the flying creatures fly over the earth, in the layers of the sky of heaven.
21. And God created the great dinosaurs* and every living soul that crawled in the waters and produced their own kind, and every flying creature with wings according to its own kind, and God saw that they were beautiful.
22. And God blessed them and commanded them, "Multiply and increase and fill the waters of the sea and let the earth teem with birds."
23. And that was the evening and the morning of the fifth eon.

24. And God said, "Let the earth produce living souls in harmony with its nature, herds and four-legged animals and creatures of the earth, according to their kind," and it was so.
25. And so God created the creatures of the earth according to their kind, and the herd animals according to their kind, and all the four-legged animals according to their kind, and God saw that they were beautiful.
26. And God said, "We shall make the human being in the image of our likeness, and they shall have authority over the fish of the sea and the birds of the sky and the herds and all the creatures of the earth and all the four-legged animals that walk on the earth."

27. And God created the human being to resemble* His own visage; He created them male and female.*
28. And God blessed them and said to them, "Multiply and increase, and fill the earth and its environments, and have authority over the fish in the sea and the birds of the sky and the four-legged animals and all the creatures that crawl over the earth."*
29. And God said, "Behold, I give you every plant with seeds that is sown on the face of all the earth, and every fruit bearing tree whose seeds are planted, for you to be a source of food.
30. "And [I give you] all the creatures of the wilderness and all the birds of the sky and everything that walks the earth that has a living soul, and all the herds [as a source] for food,"* and it was so.
31. And God saw all that He created, and, behold, it was truly beautiful. And that was the evening and the morning of the sixth eon.*1:1 John 1:1 "In the beginning of creation, there was the Manifestation. And that Manifestation was with God and God was the [the embodiment of] that Manifestation.
*1:2.1 John 1:2 "This was in the beginning with God."
*1:2.2 John 1:3 "Everything was within his power, otherwise nothing would ever exist."
*1:3 John 1:4 "Through him there was Life..."
*1:4.1 John 1:4 continued: "... and Life became the spark of humanity."
*1:4.2 John 1:5 "And that ensuing fire lights the darkness and darkness does not overshadow it."
*1:5.1 Lit. Aramaic word: "Immama."
*1:5.2 Lit. Aramaic word: "Lil'ya."
*1:5.3 Lit. Aramaic word: "Yuma," "eon," immeasurable period, age, or Day.
*1:11 Lit. Ar. poetic construction: "The offspring should sow the seed of its own genesis."
*1:21 Lit. Aramaic word: "Titans."
*1:27.1 Lit. Aramaic word: "Adam."
*1:27.2 Lit. Ar. idiomatic construction: "And there created God to Adam with His visage, in the visage of God He created him, male and female He created them.
*1:28 Lit. Ar. id.: God created the aboriginal man first.
*1:30 NB! Predominantly as a source for food, seldom to be sacrificed or eaten.

[keith]

Hi Dave and Charlie,

This is a cool translation.

Dave, how about going through this verse by verse?

Give us your thoughts and I will follow with questions—if that is OK. Meanwhile, I will look up stuff about the Aramaic Bible. If you have any Web Sites concerning the translation you would like me to go to, please put up the link for us. Thanks...

The first word — "As" the beginning... — How does the word "As" work for you?—outside of time wise? What is the first Aramaic word in the Bible?

Thanks for bringing this forward...

Keith

[RevCharlieP]

Hello again,I want to continue in revealing the mysteries of the kingdom of God,and for some this#4 will be a hard saying that some will not be able to hear,as the Church,by following after the "literal letter" of God's Word has been blinded from being able to receive the deep things of the Spirit.
If some cannot agree with what I am about to give I certainly understand,as it took me 11+years to see.hear,and understand it perfectly.
If anyone has questions concerning what I am about to give,please feel free to question anything I speak,as it has been questions that has helped me see more clearly to what I now teach,Thanks.
All "numbers" I use is from the Strong's.

Again,the Wisdom of God was hid from fallen man,that he could no longer eat freely of God's wisdom,he could hear, but not with the Wisdom of God.

It was prophesied that from the end of the earth,the LORD would bring a nation,a nation whose "tongue"(SPEECH) thou shalt "not" understand intelligently.

Deuteronomy 28:49"The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far,from the end of the earth,as swift as the eagle flieth;a nation whose "tongue"(3956 SPEECH) thou shalt "not" understand(8085 hear intelligently);...

Again,Isaiah 28:11"For with stammering(3934 foreign)lips(8193terminations)
and another tongue(3956 "SPEECH")will He speak to this people.

Again,Jeremiah 5:15"Lo I will bring a nation upon you from far,O house of Israel,saith the LORD:it is a mighty nation,it is an ancient nation,a nation whose language(3956 SPEECH)thou knoweth not,neither understandest(8085"hearest intelligently")what they say.

There was a"SPEECH" that was to come that could"NOT" be understood intelligently.

And did come when Jesus never spake to the multitudes "without" a parable.
Matthew 13:34-35 "All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables;and without a parable spake he not unto them:That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet,saying,I will open my mouth in parables;I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world."

Mark 4:33-34"And with many such parables spake He the word unto them,as they were able to hear it.But without a parable spake He not unto them:and when they were alone,He expounded all things to His disciples."

It was only His disciples that could understand the parables Jesus spoke to them,when He "expounded" all things unto them.

The SPEECH that was to come was the "parables"of God,that could not be understood intelligently by the multitudes,and still today cannot not be understood intelligently(plainly,or spiritually.

Some might ask,then why were the multitudes listening so carefully to Jesus if they could not understand intelligently? The reason the multitude were listening so carefully is because the multitudes had been taught the law,meaning the "literal written letter" of God's word,and now Jesus came speaking God's word with authority,and boldness and witnessed His miracles,the multitudes were hearing God's word,spoken with God's Wisdom.

We are "not" to follow after the law(literal letter),as did the Pharisees,and Scribes,but if we truly received the Spirit of God we are to interpret spiritual thing with spiritual,to come to a spiritual hearing of God's word.

Romans7:6"But now we are delivered from the law,that being dead wherein we were held;that we should serve in newness of spirit,and "not" in the
oldness of the letter."Note-The word "letter" refers to that which is literal.

Again, 2 Corinthians 3:6..."Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament;not of the (literal)letter,but of the spirit:for the (literal)letter killeth,but the spirit giveth(eternal)life.

No man can be justified by the law,the literal letter.

Galatians 5:4"Christ is become of no effect unto you,whosoever of you are justified by the law;ye are fallen from grace.

Can some one answer a question I have? Who was it that has taught the Church to follow after the literal written letter,the "law",of God's word,can someone answer this for me ?

I'll give more next time,if there is questions,please ask.

Blessings.
CharlieRay.

[RevCharlieP]

Hello again,
I left off last time asking who was it that taught the Church to follow after the literal written letter of God's Word.Its not a hard question,as it was men who could not interpret God's Word by comparing spiritual things with spiritual,either because they have not received the Spirit of God,or they have the Spirit of God,but have not used it to go deep enough to hear the deep things of God's Wisdom of His Word,or has been taught to follow after the literal letter of God's Word.
Those who have not God with them cannot understand the Spirit(Word)of God intelligently,as all God's Word is given in a parable,naturally unacquired Speeches,TONGUES.

The Church I once attended has taught that we would speak in another language of man when filled with the Holy Ghost.That is simply a wrong interpretation of what took place at Pentecost in Acts 2.When we speak in tongues we will not speak in other languages of man,but rather we will speak in other languages(naturally unacquired SPEECHES) of God that NO MAN can understand without the Spirit of God.When we speak God's Word with God's Wisdom we are speaking the mysteries of the kingdom of God that has been hid in God from the foundation of the world,the same as Jesus spake when He never spake to the multitudes without a parable,a naturally "un"acquired SPEECH,which mean the very same as tongues.

The mysteries of the kingdom of God can be received by those who have been quickened(expounded too)by the Spirit of God through seeking,and searching with ones whole heart,then is when one will find Him,and when you find Him,and you try to tell others,you will be speaking of the mysteries of the kingdom of God in tongues,naturally unacquired SPEECHES that one must also be inspired by the Spirit of God to be able to see,hear or understand.Once one understands the Wisdom of God,he will be speaking in a naturally un-acquired SPEECH that another cannot understand,unless that man also has the gift of interpretation to be able to use words that can be understood by the Church,if he can find these right words he will no longer be edifying himself,but he will be edifying the Church,he will be prophesying.

A man I know not long ago spoke the Wisdom of God with a brilliancy that I could not receive,I understand it was of God's Wisdom,but I could not explain it,as he was speaking the deep things of God with a naturally unacquired SPEECH,he understood what he spoke with God's Wisdom of God's Word.He took the time to seek and search with his whole heart,and God blessed him greatly with one of the great mysteries of the Kingdom of God.

I will give more next time,I hope someone is able to receive what I have given so far,if not and you have questions,please ask.
Blessings
Take care friends.
CharlieRay

[Dave]

Hey Guys, here is the link for the Aramaic Bible I used in my last posted. Check it out and see what you think. We can do some study on the verses I put in if you want and see how some of the other posts fits in to it all. I really believe that God wants us to see the mysteries He has set before us. Here is the link: http://www.v-a.com/bible/

More later guys, blessings

[Dave]

Hello again,
I left off last time asking who was it that taught the Church to follow after the literal written letter of God's Word.Its not a hard question,as it was men who could not interpret God's Word by comparing spiritual things with spiritual,either because they have not received the Spirit of God,or they have the Spirit of God,but have not used it to go deep enough to hear the deep things of God's Wisdom of His Word,or has been taught to follow after the literal letter of God's Word.
Those who have not God with them cannot understand the Spirit(Word)of God intelligently,as all God's Word is given in a parable,naturally unacquired Speeches,TONGUES.

The Church I once attended has taught that we would speak in another language of man when filled with the Holy Ghost.That is simply a wrong interpretation of what took place at Pentecost in Acts 2.When we speak in tongues we will not speak in other languages of man,but rather we will speak in other languages(naturally unacquired SPEECHES) of God that NO MAN can understand without the Spirit of God.When we speak God's Word with God's Wisdom we are speaking the mysteries of the kingdom of God that has been hid in God from the foundation of the world,the same as Jesus spake when He never spake to the multitudes without a parable,a naturally "un"acquired SPEECH,which mean the very same as tongues.

The mysteries of the kingdom of God can be received by those who have been quickened(expounded too)by the Spirit of God through seeking,and searching with ones whole heart,then is when one will find Him,and when you find Him,and you try to tell others,you will be speaking of the mysteries of the kingdom of God in tongues,naturally unacquired SPEECHES that one must also be inspired by the Spirit of God to be able to see,hear or understand.Once one understands the Wisdom of God,he will be speaking in a naturally un-acquired SPEECH that another cannot understand,unless that man also has the gift of interpretation to be able to use words that can be understood by the Church,if he can find these right words he will no longer be edifying himself,but he will be edifying the Church,he will be prophesying.

A man I know not long ago spoke the Wisdom of God with a brilliancy that I could not receive,I understand it was of God's Wisdom,but I could not explain it,as he was speaking the deep things of God with a naturally unacquired SPEECH,he understood what he spoke with God's Wisdom of God's Word.He took the time to seek and search with his whole heart,and God blessed him greatly with one of the great mysteries of the Kingdom of God.

I will give more next time,I hope someone is able to receive what I have given so far,if not and you have questions,please ask.
Blessings
Take care friends.
CharlieRay

Hey CharlieRay, I believe the Roman Catholic Church really started the whole deal with following the literal written word. I'm sure (I hope) they did this unknowingly but how ever it happened it took the spiritual side of entering in with God out of the relationship. It's funny how human being have this compulsion to add to God's Word. Lord have mercy, if we could just rest in the fact that the work is done, we do not have to strain at the oars anymore. I really like what you said here Charlie, you wrapped it up very well.

"When we speak God's Word with God's Wisdom we are speaking the mysteries of the kingdom of God that has been hid in God from the foundation of the world,the same as Jesus spake when He never spake to the multitudes without a parable,a naturally "un"acquired SPEECH,which mean the very same as tongues."

Now we need to know how to enter into that place with God and stay there. Lord help us.......................

[RevCharlieP]

Hey Guys, here is the link for the Aramaic Bible I used in my last posted. Check it out and see what you think. We can do some study on the verses I put in if you want and see how some of the other posts fits in to it all. I really believe that God wants us to see the mysteries He has set before us. Here is the link: http://www.v-a.com/bible/

More later guys, blessings

Hi Dave,I was never one to use different Bibles,as I have taken the time to seek,and search the Strong's Dictionaries for the correct understanding of the words in my King James,and I before tried a couple of different Bibles for their interpretation of God's Word,and I found that the other Bibles in most cases did not use right words to describe what was meant in the Greek,and Hebrew.Yes,there were some good understandings but as a whole I think they failed in using right words.
But the Aramaic Bible has used many words that are more correct in my view than the words in my King James.I don't believe I can change from my king James,but I certainly want to read more of the Aramaic Bible,as for the little that I did read it used many right word to explain what the Greek and the Hebrew were trying to say.

Thanks Dave.

CharlieRay

[RevCharlieP]

Hey CharlieRay, I believe the Roman Catholic Church really started the whole deal with following the literal written word. I'm sure (I hope) they did this unknowingly but how ever it happened it took the spiritual side of entering in with God out of the relationship. It's funny how human being have this compulsion to add to God's Word. Lord have mercy, if we could just rest in the fact that the work is done, we do not have to strain at the oars anymore. I really like what you said here Charlie, you wrapped it up very well.

"When we speak God's Word with God's Wisdom we are speaking the mysteries of the kingdom of God that has been hid in God from the foundation of the world,the same as Jesus spake when He never spake to the multitudes without a parable,a naturally "un"acquired SPEECH,which mean the very same as tongues."

Now we need to know how to enter into that place with God and stay there. Lord help us.......................

Hey Dave,I understand how to enter into that place,and soon I want to give what the Good Lord gave to me,that I hope will help others see,hear,and understand God's Wisdom of the mysteries of the kingdom of God,and how to receive them.
I hope I can open some hearts to receive what the Lord opened my heart to.The Lord Blessed me greatly.
Love ya friend.
CharlieRay

[Dave]

Hello All, I'm going to veer from my previous post a bit to just add a thought. I was writing an e-mail today and just thought I would share a bit of it:

Try thinking of your life as a parable. This might sound a little funny but hang in there with me. Think of your life as two lives running next to each other. The life we live on this earth in the natural is a parable that is supposed to lead to the spiritual life. Isn’t that what a parable is…………….. A story that leads to spiritual truth. Instead of these two lives running next to each other the parable life should be moving toward the spiritual life, the eternal life, where there is no time, where we live and move and have our being in Jesus Christ completely and fully even as we live on this earth. I have a friend (RevCharlie) that talks about seeing the Bible as a parable but to go beyond that to what the Bible says spiritually. We can never really understand the spiritual if we insist on interpreting the Bible from human reasoning (the law). Let me know what you think.

[RevCharlieP]

Hello All, I'm going to veer from my previous post a bit to just add a thought. I was writing an e-mail today and just thought I would share a bit of it:

Try thinking of your life as a parable. This might sound a little funny but hang in there with me. Think of your life as two lives running next to each other. The life we live on this earth in the natural is a parable that is supposed to lead to the spiritual life. Isn’t that what a parable is…………….. A story that leads to spiritual truth. Instead of these two lives running next to each other the parable life should be moving toward the spiritual life, the eternal life, where there is no time, where we live and move and have our being in Jesus Christ completely and fully even as we live on this earth. I have a friend (RevCharlie) that talks about seeing the Bible as a parable but to go beyond that to what the Bible says spiritually. We can never really understand the spiritual if we insist on interpreting the Bible from human reasoning (the law). Let me know what you think.


Hey Dave,
I like it,you explained this very well. Natural carnal life,as opposed to spiritual divine life.This is the spiritual life fighting against our carnal life.
This is our goal,to convert back to spiritual seeing,hearing and understanding
of God's Word.
Many cannot interpret spiritual things of God,even if they do have the Spirit of God ,because they have been taught that we are to interpret God's Word by the literal letter,and they do not know how to interpret spiritually.
Others will hear this ministry,and will understand that we are not to interpret by the letter,as the letter can justify no one.

Keep it coming Dave,some "will" hear,and understand.
Thank you Jesus.

[RevCharlieP]

The mystery of the kingdom of God explained#6.

I would like to expound concerning tongues,and parables.

When one is speaking in tongues he is not speaking in another language of man,as the world has misinterpreted Acts 2 to say. But rather he is speaking in another SPEECH of God.All the Word of God is spoken with a naturally un-acquired SPEECH that the natural man cannot see,hear or understand. As the natural man has not the power of the spirit to be able to understand the Wisdom of God,of His Word.
Even those who do have the spirit,must be spiritual enough to hear the deep things of God.

For those who do receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost they have only received the power to receive the deep things of God's Word. It does not mean,just because one has the spirit he can understand the deep Wisdom of God's Word. He must seek and search with his whole heart before he is going to began to understand the Wisdom of God's Word.

Once one does receive the deep Wisdom of God,of His Word,he will began to speak the Wisdom of God in tongues(full spiritual understanding),as all God's Word is spoken in tongues,and those who have not this Wisdom are hearing the Word of God in parables. And before the natural man can understand,he must also be inspired (quickened) by the Spirit of God before he will ever understand one who is speaking in tongues.

The entire Word of God is spoken in tongues. The SPEECH of God that no man can see,hear or understand without being inspired(quickened) back to the kingdom of God that was before the foundation of the world,back to God's Wisdom of God's Word.

1Corinthians 2:11"For what man knoweth the things of a man,save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth NO MAN,but the Spirit of God."

One who has God's Wisdom of God's Word is speaking in tongues,and the natural man can only see,hear and understand in a parable.

Luke 8:10"And Jesus said unto His disciples.Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God:but to others in parables;that seeing they might not see,and hearing they might not understand.

But if one who has the Wisdom of God,and is speaking with God's Wisdom of His Word(tongues)and he asks the Lord for the gift of interpretation that he might edify the Church,and he receives that gift of interpretation,he is no longer speaking in tongues,he is then "prophesying" and the Church is being edified.
1Corinthians 14:2"For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh NOT unto men but unto God:for NO MAN understandeth him;howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries(of the kingdom of God).

V-3.But he that "prophesieth" speaketh unto men to edification,and exhortation,and comfort.

V-4.He that speaketh in an unknown tongue(SPEECH)edifieth himself;but he that "prophesieth" edifieth the Church.

When one understands God's Wisdom,of God's Word,he is speaking of the mysteries of the kingdom with God's understanding(tongues),thereby edifiing himself, but when he uses right word that he is able to interpret it that the Church (understands) is edified,he is prophesing.

I hope I was prophesing to you,and not speaking in tongues,as I fully understand this revelation,and I want to edify the Church.

If you have questions to what I understand,and teach please ask.

Blessings.

CharlieRay

[keith]

Charlie and Dave,

I worked all morning on the forum. If you can give me any suggestions regarding how it can become better, please let me know here. (http://christsweb.net/community/forumdisplay.php?f=32)

Thanks,

Keith